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Entire team leaving one club for another
This topic was started on another thread, but I wanted it to get further input.
How often does on team, or a coach and most of his/her team, pretty much up an walk from one club to another?
Has this happened recently?
Is it a somewhat common event?
Is there anything the original club can do to stop it?
Just wondering ....
[Edited on 6/7/12 by x-man]
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It happened with lots of rec teams leaving then GYS (Greensboro) to go play challenge at then GUS (Guilford United)
Stop living through you child and let them play.
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This happens regularly. It starts with a rec team joining a club to play challenge; a challenge team moving to another club to play classic, etc.
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Does it happen with a classic team leaving one club to play classic at another club? Can that even happen?
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Quote:
Originally posted by x-man
Does it happen with a classic team leaving one club to play classic at another club? Can that even happen?
I recall this happening about 7 years ago. A girls classic team left FVAA for CRSC.
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Quote:
Originally posted by x-man
Does it happen with a classic team leaving one club to play classic at another club? Can that even happen?
Sure ... doesn't happen often, but it can and does happen.
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Quote:Originally posted by winchester73
Quote:
Originally posted by x-man
Does it happen with a classic team leaving one club to play classic at another club? Can that even happen?
Sure ... doesn't happen often, but it can and does happen.
Ok, but could the original club do anything to prevent this from happening if they wanted to?
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Theoretically, all tryouts are open tryouts, right? So if a whole team of kids goes to another club's open tryouts, what leg does a club have to
stand on?
Maybe the new club has nicer uniforms, better facilities, cost less to play, or any of a zillion other reasons that their grass looks greener. But,
if a whole team is leaving a club, you have to figure there is a compelling reason causing their migration... it's unlikely everybody just got up one
day and decided, "Hey! Let's all pick up and go over there!"
There's one nice thing about the big soccer areas having lots of clubs... it means lots of choices... or otherwise stated, lot's of opportunities to
find something that suits you...
ahhh the American Way! If you don't like it, go find it elsewhere... and if you can't find it, make it yourself! (then you'll see if it's really
just you!)
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Page 23 starts the discussion about "recruiting":
http://www.ncsoccer.org/Files/documents/d-amanual.pdf
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Quote:
Originally posted by videot96
Theoretically, all tryouts are open tryouts, right? So if a whole team of kids goes to another club's open tryouts, what leg does a club have to
stand on?
True, with two significant caveats potentially in the way of this working out as intended. Let's say in the just-completed season, Club A had a U15
"Red" team who now wish to make an ensemble jump over to Club B for the U16 season.
1) Club B must have in place an NCYSA sanctioned program for the level the red team wishes to play at in the upcoming season.
2a) IF the "A red" team was a rec team and wants to play challenge at B (which has a challenge program already), then the primary impediment is
whether club B is willing to bend their tryout process to allow a preformed team to effectively bypass normal tryout player draft rules which other
teams must observe. IF the "A red team was already a challenge team and wishes to move over to B ensemble as a classic team, then similarly the issue
is whether club B is willing to bend their classic tryout process to bypass normal tryout selection rules for the rest of their teams. In both cases
(especially the classic case) if club B already has existing challenge or classic teams at the age level in question, the potential internal political
problems with allowing "A red" to come over intact are obvious. Not saying it hasn't or couldn't be done, but unless the incoming team is filling a
void at the age level at club B, it won't be without ruffling quite a few feathers at new club B and not just at old club A.
2b) If the A red team played classic at U15 at Premier or First Division level, they will be regarded as an entirely new team at club B and forced to
start at U16 at the second division level, unless that is club B has an existing rising U16 team (e.g. the B blues) on which Club B is willing to
displace all its incumbent players at tryouts to accommodate the incoming Club A red players. Probably not going to happen!
Of course, a team could form or join a "club" and play tournaments as a US Club Soccer classic team, but this doesn't answer what to do for a
"regular" season.
The scenario where a challenge team jumps to another club ensemble to play classic used to happen frequently in the Triangle, where CASL challenge
teams would jump over to the old Knightdale Soccer Club and play classic. My memory of the history and rules in this regard are a bit hazy, but one
complication was whether KSC was properly compliant with then-rules about the requirements for a club to also sufficiently support a rec-level program
and not just be a classic-only program. Eventually, Triangle Futbol Club formed and became a fully kosher alternative to CASL in the Triangle Area,
followed by others (Triangle United, FVAA, etc). But it's still not usually quite so simple as many people sometimes wish for a team to jump ensemble
to another club, including simply moving over together at tryouts, for the reasons outlined above.
[Edited on 6-7-2012 by FirstTouch]
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I have seen entire teams come intact to FVAA from other clubs. Does not mean you have to change the tryout. There just has be an understanding
between coaches to which players are who's and then they have to have plan to deal with the other players.
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Eclipse originated from a mutiny, one club to another.
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I wish it would have happened to my kids team -
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We had a team leave as a rec team to go play academy with club "A" as U-10s. After the season we left as a team for club "B". Club "A" refused to
give us our player cards to prevent us from playing any tournaments until the season was "officially" over.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Master of Sparks
We had a team leave as a rec team to go play academy with club "A" as U-10s. After the season we left as a team for club "B". Club "A" refused to
give us our player cards to prevent us from playing any tournaments until the season was "officially" over.
That's why we have cards, sweetie.
"Have at it, boys."
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Quote:
Originally posted by Master of Sparks
We had a team leave as a rec team to go play academy with club "A" as U-10s. After the season we left as a team for club "B". Club "A" refused to
give us our player cards to prevent us from playing any tournaments until the season was "officially" over.
So three clubs by U10? Wow that's impressive!
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I don't even know why I'm curious, but if a team wanted to go play in a tournament at the end of their season with club "A", why didn't they just go
do it under club "A". Why did the desire to do it under club "B"?
And if they were carded with Club A, wouldn't all the insurance and whatever else cards get you be tied to Club A anyway?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Master of Sparks
We had a team leave as a rec team to go play academy with club "A" as U-10s. After the season we left as a team for club "B". Club "A" refused to
give us our player cards to prevent us from playing any tournaments until the season was "officially" over.
So you left one club as a rec team, went to club A to play academy, and then left that club for club B. Three years, three clubs?
Also, it sounds at though A did the right thing. If the season isn't officially over you shouldn't be playing under another logo as a team. Sure
kids guest play for other clubs, but an entire team doesn't just up and play for another club during the season the team was carded at another.
Seriously, what do you expect 
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Quote:
Originally posted by soccerella
I wish it would have happened to my kids team -
If you and your kid aren't happy, then you have the option to leave. If the entire team isn't happy, then why should they? There are often
situations where for whatever reason an entire team or the majority of it might want to move to another club. Maybe they had a bad coach and they
want a better one; or they had a good coach and they are following them to another club... whatever the reason every year you have control over where
you choose to tryout. If you choose to stay at the same place isn't it better to try and make the most of it and be positive?
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Quote:
Originally posted by videot96
Theoretically, all tryouts are open tryouts, right? So if a whole team of kids goes to another club's open tryouts, what leg does a club have to
stand on?
Maybe the new club has nicer uniforms, better facilities, cost less to play, or any of a zillion other reasons that their grass looks greener. But,
if a whole team is leaving a club, you have to figure there is a compelling reason causing their migration... it's unlikely everybody just got up one
day and decided, "Hey! Let's all pick up and go over there!"
There's one nice thing about the big soccer areas having lots of clubs... it means lots of choices... or otherwise stated, lot's of opportunities to
find something that suits you...
ahhh the American Way! If you don't like it, go find it elsewhere... and if you can't find it, make it yourself! (then you'll see if it's really
just you!)
Absolutely agree with you. The American Way does allow many choices and the freedom/right to do so.
However, it is higly unusual and more bluntly, quite suspect when entire teams leave one club for another that their coach just so happens to now be
coaching at.
Within the last few years a few coaches were actually caught recruiting entire teams to another club while they were still employed at another. They
knew they were leaving, informed the teams/parents where they were going (weeks prior to now - not right at the end of the season...)
You also have the freedom to engage in unethical behavior.
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