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Ummmm .. no, they just beat Carrboro.
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Originally posted by Sven with Braces
And you played who.....
Topsail Island......
Yes, and Topsail is usually good. Who do you play?
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On the Asheville question, aren't ABYSA and HFC the same organization? And TCR is historically strong on boys and girls side including a boys
semifinal appearance in their first year in 4A last year. There you go, TCR, and I'm not even from Pittsburgh.
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Back to the statement on the post, 2 Onslow Co. high school teams win State titles. Any other county out there have the same results???? Anybody???
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Onslow County normally has three or four teams in the final four, both man and women. I don't believe there is another county that can match that.
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Here is part of the reason why the local high schools do so well in Onslow County.
http://varsity.jdnews.com/sports/sport-3168-club-success.html
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Quote:Originally posted by realitycheck
What are "they" gonna say? 
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Quote:Originally posted by robkimsay
Quote:Originally posted by realitycheck
What are "they" gonna say?
Case closed !! 
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Quote:
Originally posted by MTRTIRE
Maybe the clubs ARE doing something correct - despite all that has been said on the forum. The clubs were set up in the mid 70's to be the feeders
to the high schools. These development rec/challenge and classic programs are doing what they were designed to do. Provide the high schools with
strong and talented players. Southwest is made up of largely of OCSA players which in reality, OCSA acts as an extension for the SW classic program.
Swansboro has a large contingent of SSA players (challenge and classic) and a mixture of players from other clubs including OCSA.
Year after Year - for all the belly-aching - not bad!
Way to go SWHS and SHS!
Most things that were set up in the 70's prove to be inefficient if not completely obsolete. In the 70's it may have been more important to feed high
school programs, now it is quite the opposite. In all truth an area's level of talent is truly judged by club results (final four appearances, state
titles, number of teams in top flight, rIIIpl, USYS rankings, amount of players involved with state/regional ODP).
one day
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Quote:Originally posted by jvillefreelance
Quote:
Originally posted by MTRTIRE
Maybe the clubs ARE doing something correct - despite all that has been said on the forum. The clubs were set up in the mid 70's to be the feeders
to the high schools. These development rec/challenge and classic programs are doing what they were designed to do. Provide the high schools with
strong and talented players. Southwest is made up of largely of OCSA players which in reality, OCSA acts as an extension for the SW classic program.
Swansboro has a large contingent of SSA players (challenge and classic) and a mixture of players from other clubs including OCSA.
Year after Year - for all the belly-aching - not bad!
Way to go SWHS and SHS!
Most things that were set up in the 70's prove to be inefficient if not completely obsolete. In the 70's it may have been more important to feed high
school programs, now it is quite the opposite. In all truth an area's level of talent is truly judged by club results (final four appearances, state
titles, number of teams in top flight, rIIIpl, USYS rankings, amount of players involved with state/regional ODP).
to butcher and splice quotes.... Success is in the eye of the beholder...
Perhaps the success at the HS level in Onslow more than makes up for RIII teams, NCYSA state titles (although they have some of both I believe.) for
the players up there. If so, good for them. How many players can say they have won a State HS Championship? Not too many. And Onslow has had as
much if not more success in that arena than any other county I can think of.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sven with Braces
And you played who.....
Topsail Island......
oh yeah Sven...feel free to set up a game with Topsail (a 2A school)....Let me know how that goes...
Just a hint...the 4A State Runner up only beat them 2-0....and glad to get the win....it is never easy there.
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| posted on 6/2/10 at 07:12 PM |
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Quote:Originally posted by wavedad
Quote:Originally posted by jvillefreelance
Quote:
Originally posted by MTRTIRE
Maybe the clubs ARE doing something correct - despite all that has been said on the forum. The clubs were set up in the mid 70's to be the feeders
to the high schools. These development rec/challenge and classic programs are doing what they were designed to do. Provide the high schools with
strong and talented players. Southwest is made up of largely of OCSA players which in reality, OCSA acts as an extension for the SW classic program.
Swansboro has a large contingent of SSA players (challenge and classic) and a mixture of players from other clubs including OCSA.
Year after Year - for all the belly-aching - not bad!
Way to go SWHS and SHS!
Most things that were set up in the 70's prove to be inefficient if not completely obsolete. In the 70's it may have been more important to feed high
school programs, now it is quite the opposite. In all truth an area's level of talent is truly judged by club results (final four appearances, state
titles, number of teams in top flight, rIIIpl, USYS rankings, amount of players involved with state/regional ODP).
to butcher and splice quotes.... Success is in the eye of the beholder...
Perhaps the success at the HS level in Onslow more than makes up for RIII teams, NCYSA state titles (although they have some of both I believe.) for
the players up there. If so, good for them. How many players can say they have won a State HS Championship? Not too many. And Onslow has had as
much if not more success in that arena than any other county I can think of.
IMO, once most players (that have a rational grasp on the game and their own abilities) realize that high school success is not as prestigious as club
success. I am not saying that it is pointless, meaningless, or something that shouldn't be looked back on fondly (I have a NCHSAA state championship
ring) but I would trade it in a second for a NCYSA State Title of R3PL title and trip to regionals (ie shot at nationals), and my club team was very
close.
one day
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| posted on 6/2/10 at 08:10 PM |
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Quote:
Originally posted by jvillefreelance
IMO, once most players (that have a rational grasp on the game and their own abilities) realize that high school success is not as prestigious as club
success. I am not saying that it is pointless, meaningless, or something that shouldn't be looked back on fondly (I have a NCHSAA state championship
ring) but I would trade it in a second for a NCYSA State Title of R3PL title and trip to regionals (ie shot at nationals), and my club team was very
close.
FYI, my son has:
- a R3PL championship and a trip to regionals (AK),
- a club NCYSA / USYS state cup championship in which he scored the ONLY goal (winning the game as team captain) against an extremely strong TFC team
and a trip to regionals (TX).
BUT he really cherishes the memories as a Broughton player:
- won four consecutive CAP 7 championships.
- won two consecutive 4A state championships 2006 & 2007
- Playing in the CLASH of the Carolinas with Coach Calderone.
Stuff Happens....Chill !
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living at the cost ..and having my boy play against Onslow country boys .I will say that the onlow boys have such a tremendous work ethic on the
field,and play very hard .Skill wise just in the middle of the pack..but its their never ending spirit to play hard that gets good results.
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Quote:Originally posted by Big V
Quote:
Originally posted by jvillefreelance
IMO, once most players (that have a rational grasp on the game and their own abilities) realize that high school success is not as prestigious as club
success. I am not saying that it is pointless, meaningless, or something that shouldn't be looked back on fondly (I have a NCHSAA state championship
ring) but I would trade it in a second for a NCYSA State Title of R3PL title and trip to regionals (ie shot at nationals), and my club team was very
close.
FYI, my son has:
- a R3PL championship and a trip to regionals (AK),
- a club NCYSA / USYS state cup championship in which he scored the ONLY goal (winning the game as team captain) against an extremely strong TFC team
and a trip to regionals (TX).
BUT he really cherishes the memories as a Broughton player:
- won four consecutive CAP 7 championships.
- won two consecutive 4A state championships 2006 & 2007
- Playing in the CLASH of the Carolinas with Coach Calderone.
I started my statement with "IMO" and it pertained to the entire statement, everyone has their own opinion on what means more, and Vinny is a good
example seeing as he has acheived both. I feel that in order to have a valid opinion on which one a player views as more important that you must have
won one and been close to other or won both (like your son).
However any area that has multiple successful high school programs will brag about that just the same as an area with multiple successful club
programs will brag about that. IMO club success is MORE IMPORTANT than high school success, both for a player and proving an area's strength/depth in
talent.
one day
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Quote:Originally posted by jvillefreelance
Quote:Originally posted by Big V
Quote:
Originally posted by jvillefreelance
IMO, once most players (that have a rational grasp on the game and their own abilities) realize that high school success is not as prestigious as club
success. I am not saying that it is pointless, meaningless, or something that shouldn't be looked back on fondly (I have a NCHSAA state championship
ring) but I would trade it in a second for a NCYSA State Title of R3PL title and trip to regionals (ie shot at nationals), and my club team was very
close.
FYI, my son has:
- a R3PL championship and a trip to regionals (AK),
- a club NCYSA / USYS state cup championship in which he scored the ONLY goal (winning the game as team captain) against an extremely strong TFC team
and a trip to regionals (TX).
BUT he really cherishes the memories as a Broughton player:
- won four consecutive CAP 7 championships.
- won two consecutive 4A state championships 2006 & 2007
- Playing in the CLASH of the Carolinas with Coach Calderone.
I started my statement with "IMO" and it pertained to the entire statement, everyone has their own opinion on what means more, and Vinny is a good
example seeing as he has acheived both. I feel that in order to have a valid opinion on which one a player views as more important that you must have
won one and been close to other or won both (like your son).
However any area that has multiple successful high school programs will brag about that just the same as an area with multiple successful club
programs will brag about that. IMO club success is MORE IMPORTANT than high school success, both for a player and proving an area's strength/depth in
talent.
I did read your message, that is why I posted my "hearsay" message ... I guess could have stated mine with IHO (in his opinion?)....
Stuff Happens....Chill !
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Quote:Originally posted by Big V
Quote:Originally posted by jvillefreelance
Quote:Originally posted by Big V
Quote:
Originally posted by jvillefreelance
IMO, once most players (that have a rational grasp on the game and their own abilities) realize that high school success is not as prestigious as club
success. I am not saying that it is pointless, meaningless, or something that shouldn't be looked back on fondly (I have a NCHSAA state championship
ring) but I would trade it in a second for a NCYSA State Title of R3PL title and trip to regionals (ie shot at nationals), and my club team was very
close.
FYI, my son has:
- a R3PL championship and a trip to regionals (AK),
- a club NCYSA / USYS state cup championship in which he scored the ONLY goal (winning the game as team captain) against an extremely strong TFC team
and a trip to regionals (TX).
BUT he really cherishes the memories as a Broughton player:
- won four consecutive CAP 7 championships.
- won two consecutive 4A state championships 2006 & 2007
- Playing in the CLASH of the Carolinas with Coach Calderone.
I started my statement with "IMO" and it pertained to the entire statement, everyone has their own opinion on what means more, and Vinny is a good
example seeing as he has acheived both. I feel that in order to have a valid opinion on which one a player views as more important that you must have
won one and been close to other or won both (like your son).
However any area that has multiple successful high school programs will brag about that just the same as an area with multiple successful club
programs will brag about that. IMO club success is MORE IMPORTANT than high school success, both for a player and proving an area's strength/depth in
talent.
I did read your message, that is why I posted my "hearsay" message ... I guess could have stated mine with IHO (in his opinion?)....
I made the assumption that you understood my post V, I just didn't want other people to jump on your post quoting mine and go crazy with it. 
one day
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I hate to even say this, but I'm going to anyway, every university level scout that I know, including myself, does not give club play deference to
playing in high school. Every one that I know, granted there are only 5, and 2 scout for D I schools, value the input from the HS coach, AD, and
education leadership over the input of the club system in NC.
I don't want to kill the herd on this one, but that is my experience. Certainly there are other opinions, and you all are welcome to them.
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dose of reality
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Quote:
Originally posted by RonToth
I hate to even say this, but I'm going to anyway, every university level scout that I know, including myself, does not give club play deference to
playing in high school. Every one that I know, granted there are only 5, and 2 scout for D I schools, value the input from the HS coach, AD, and
education leadership over the input of the club system in NC.
I don't want to kill the herd on this one, but that is my experience. Certainly there are other opinions, and you all are welcome to them.
I have yet to see a college coach at a high school game unless he was there for a specific player.
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